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Quote greenmann Replybullet Posted: Jul-13-2009 at 1:16pm
Welcome Tane!

Must be interesting gardening with PNW natives in Wales! lol... I must admit i would be hard pressed not to do the same if I had to leave here...

If the Cornus and the Trillium are doing well, I suspect it is on the shady side for the Lillium columbianum, but you never know. I assume this is a deciduous magnolia? If not, then definitely too shady for the lily. Maybe on the edge of the shade it would do well though, if you have a good spot for it there. Just make sure the drainage is good and give it a try. They also seem to do fairly well in pots, so if you have a holding area, you could try it in a nice big pot (say a bright blue one to contrast with the orange flowers? lol...) and then bring it out when in flower, and tuck it back into the holding area when not.
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Quote Tane Mahuta Replybullet Posted: Aug-16-2009 at 3:43am
Thanks, Greenman, for the advice. Yes, the magnolia (sieboldii) is deciduous, with quite dense shade, and the trumpet-type lilies there are having a hard time of it. (They will be moved later this year to somewhere sunnier, which is also where I'm going to put the L. columbianum.) I've got another kind of tiger lily there already which is doing fine. I'll mix some fine gravel and sand in the soil underneath and around them for better drainage. I'm afraid the only holding-type area I have in my little garden is whatever I can find between the shrubs and the fence, where I hide the spring bulbs in pots when they're done flowering.
PNW gardening in this part of Wales is not a problem, except getting the plants; the climate and soil are very similar to Seattle. I also grow some plants from New Zealand, again similar climate and soil.
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Quote greenmann Replybullet Posted: Aug-16-2009 at 1:16pm
Sounds nice :D

I would be awfully tempted to keep the magnolia carefully thinned so it doesn't get too dense. I have done some consulting with a couple in Seattle that had one of these in their garden, and almost nothing grew under it because of the deep shade. Even evergreens struggled, until they opened up the canopy a bit and let some light through. Once they did that, things did much better. As a bonus, they said the layered effect they achieved with the branches of the magnolia itself made the flowers stand out more, so they were happy for that as well.

At any rate, good luck with it all! Hmm, are you willing to have plants shipped to you from overseas? There is a company in British COlumbia i have worked with in the past that I know does phyto certs for shipping to the US. Pacific Rim Native Plants is in BC's interior, so a little cooler than we are here, but they grow a wodnerfully ecclectic assortment of West Coast natives. They are also wonderful to work with, worth checking out- Pacific Rim Natives.

Good luck with it all!
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Quote Tane Mahuta Replybullet Posted: Sep-13-2009 at 6:20am
Hello again,
The shade from the magnolia is very dense, and gets worse when it's pruned, because pruning simply stimulates regrowth. I think I'm going to have to have some of the trunks completely taken out. But that worries me because whoever does it is likely to trample everything underneath, which includes a lot of really nice plants.
I think I've pretty well got all the PNW native plants I can use right now, but I'll check out the Pacific Rim Natives website all the same, and drool a bit. Most of what I remember I can get either from Farmyard Nursery http://www.farmyardnurseries.co.uk/ or Crug Farm Plants http://www.crug-farm.co.uk/. Crug Farm even has devil's club and skunk cabbage, and that's where I got the L. columbianum. I do like skunk cabbage, but I don't have the conditions for it, and I think the houses here are too close together, and the neighbors might object! To see skunk cabbage I can go up north to Bodnant Gardens, where they have a great collection.
Another question about the L. columbianum: I've got one of the pots which they came in, which had several withered stems, so I assume there are several bulbs in there. When is the right time for me to divide and replant them? I'm considering leaving them in the pot for this year and not mess with them until I've seen a whole year's worth of their behavior.
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Quote greenmann Replybullet Posted: Sep-14-2009 at 10:04am
the west coast lilies in particular have a habit of sending up multiple stems from a single large bulb, so you may have one large bulb, or one that has split. The little bulblits the lilies produce in the ground tend to stay attached until they get to fairly large sizes, even though when disturbed at all they fall off at the slightest provocation, even just simply their own weight. Honestly in my own garden they do better in pots than they do in the ground (I think they get eaten half the time) so my biggest and nicest clump is one that was salvaged bulbs that were left in a large nursery pot. They go up and down... didn't bloom this year, I think the large one bloomed itself out last year, and they are in regeneration mode again now. I hope, lol. I would rather not dig around in there and disturb them, if I don't have to.
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Quote Tane Mahuta Replybullet Posted: Oct-03-2009 at 8:44am
Thanks, Greenman,
Your reply raises more questions!
You say your best clump is in a pot. Is that an above-ground pot or one sunk into the ground? I don't like the pot they're in now (a black plastic 'long tom'), but I could transfer them to a different pot easily. If sunk, do you dig it up and put it somewhere more protected in winter? We don't get a lot of hard frosts here, but I lost several pots of Narcissus due to getting waterlogged and freezing last winter. I've got a pot of L. martagon from the Alps that I plan to protect this winter. I lost some that were in the ground last winter.
What eats them? We have rabbits, mice, rats, slugs, earwigs, snails, weasels (rare) and gray squirrels, but no deer, skunks, mink, beaver, groundhogs, possums, etc.
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Quote greenmann Replybullet Posted: Nov-17-2009 at 7:48pm
Mine are in a large (24 inch across) nursery pot, nothing special. Just what I potted them into after salvaging a few, several years ago. They were potted with cobble in the bottom of the pot for good drainage and some support for the bulbs to rest on, and a course mix of fine lava rock, leaf mould and old potting soil. Did pretty well with that for several years, but I think the organic matter is pretty much spent now.

The pot is NOT sunk into the ground, but the loose bark mulch under it does tend to get heaved up around the bottom of the pot by moles every once in a while. It is possible that moles are eating the bulbs (Townsend's Moles are reputed to eat Tulips at least, and lilies are likely more edible than a tulip), but it is more likely that some kind of rat in the burrows taking advantage of the easy clandestine highway, or even the ever popular grey squirrels are digging them up and eating them. As i said, the ones in pots seem to do better, so I assume that it is underground rodents rather than curioius squirrels, who have no problem digging other things out of my pots.

Slugs will also eat the new stems as they come up. Drives me nuts, as you will come out and find the stems eaten half way through, and the poor little top listing to the side. If you have the slug bait that uses Iron Phosphate as the active ingredient, this takes care of them nicely. Just remember to bait around the outside of where you want to protect, not over the top of the plant itself. No sense in drawing the buggers to the plant you are trying to protect, lol. I have no personal experience with most of hte critters you mention, alas... I live on a very suburban island where that kind of stuff has all long since disappeared. Deer from what I understand will nip the flower buds off (preferring to do so just before they open, of course). Rabbits and groundhogs might also go for them at different stages *shrug*. Dunno what a weasel would want with a lily bulb, though, lol... unless it is to set a trap for a rabbit or a rat? *snicker*
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